tokarski21 asked:
Where did Tarot Cards come from? A look at the facts and the fiction behind their mysterious past.
25 Responses to “Lost History-Tarot Cards”
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terrible music
Left by madamoiselle0sahara on February 11th, 2010
The application of tarot in psychology in this fasion is no more divination than is the use of ink blots. This application is of no interest to the sceptic – it is, frankly, mundane. Further, I would recommend that a person who needs that kind of therapy seek a professional rather than some Joe with a pack of cards.
Tarot is not just a game for me, it is a game for everybody – you can use it in different ways if you like, but it IS a game.
Left by ANIideas on February 13th, 2010
While tarot cards were not created to convey occult meanings, they can, of course, be used to do so – and indeed, the veracity of those meanings is independent of the origin of tarot.
However, that veracity and the efficacy of divination remain unsupported by evidence and are often contrary to reason.
Also, by adopting the cards for esoteric purpose and by promoting a false history, occultists are both lying and committing nothing short of cultural vandalism. It is right to fight that!
Left by ANIideas on February 13th, 2010
well actuly i think he may have looked in to it. partly ’cause he filmed himself searching the stuff on google.
Left by fflamadwy2009 on February 14th, 2010
just to ask can u look in to gypst fotune cards & ancent runes just out of couriosity ?.
Left by fflamadwy2009 on February 14th, 2010
@Wyrdmaven You’re speaking of the game as if it were past tense. Tarot games are still played today in European countries. It is especially popular in France. Tarot did not evolve in a linear direction. Occult or divinatory Tarot, while it might be the most known, is only one branch of it. The games are another which continue to be played and the internet is slowly exposing more people to them.
Left by Oudler on February 16th, 2010
it has also been my experience that folks that dismiss tarot as having any esoteric value have never had a proper reading done.
but the thing I’m trying to get across is that if what tarot was, a card game, has been given a broader meaning that appears “invented” that doesnt mean that tarot doesnt have esoteric value
it’s like seeing a flower that is just a flower but we later realize it can be used as a herb for seasoning food, or for medicine. it functions as both at the same time
fiat lux
Left by Wyrdmaven on February 18th, 2010
with modern psychology, and the ideas that archetypes and symbols are keys to the unconsciousness, seeing in the tarot cards images some of these archeytypes, after the fact…doesnt dismiss the tarot as a tool for divination or even magic. “fortune telling” is not quite the correct term.
if you think of tarot cards as very fancy inkblots you can get the idea here
if it is a card game to you, fine. but there’s no need to insist it is a card game for everybody.
Left by Wyrdmaven on February 21st, 2010
the thing about tarot is…yeah, you can trace it back to a card game and insist it is only a card game, as folks do. this video is a bit more even-tempered. the thing about “inventing” all the esoteric meaning to the cards is where the problem is. it is true that in the past few centuries, the meaning of tarot has exploded, being merged with both egyptian and hebrew occultism. but that doesnt necessarily mean that isn’t true also
Left by Wyrdmaven on February 24th, 2010
@Tripper2010 Freud played Koenigrufen before Jung did the symbolism bit!
Left by Oudler on February 26th, 2010
Aggggh! Of course “their” should be “there”
Left by ANIideas on February 27th, 2010
People have been able to read any number of magical, occult, spiritual, and psychological systems INTO tarot cards. Their designs are sufficiently ambiguous for that.
As a consequence, if we want to claim that any one of those systems is somehow relevant to their origin and the intent behind them requires some evidence. That evidence just isn’t their.
So, when you cite these claims, I’m not sure what you point is. They have always struck me as trivial notions, amusements and no more.
Left by ANIideas on February 28th, 2010
Carl Jung was the first psychologist to attach importance to tarot symbolism.[21] He may have regarded the tarot cards as representing archetypes: fundamental types of persons or situations embedded in the subconscious of all human beings.
Left by Tripper2010 on March 3rd, 2010
Timothy Leary has suggested that the Tarot Trump cards are a pictorial representation of human development from infant to adult, with the Fool symbolizing the newborn infant, the Magician symbolizing the stage at which an infant begins to play with artifacts, etc. In Leary’s view the Tarot Trumps may be viewed as a blueprint for the human race as it matures
Left by Tripper2010 on March 6th, 2010
I’ve been a tarot reader since i was 14 and….I also have my doubts about tarot predicting future…this guy should read waite’s work a bit more thoroughly.
cheap journalism
Left by alonsovelasquez on March 8th, 2010
In fairness, the line from the Catholic church and the Church of England is that tarot cards were indeed created for game play. Much of Europe still plays these games without any objection from the Church in those countries. The occult interpretation of tarot is objected to though.
Of course, most Christians are exposed to the same misleading media as the rest of us but in my experience, most of the anti-tarot sentiment comes from US evangelical Christianity without knowledge of the games.
Left by ANIideas on March 10th, 2010
Fuck christians. They ruin everything.
They get so fucking sensitive about anything that is RUMORED to be evil… and they blow it right the fuck out of proportion.
GOD DAMN! WTF
Left by Ozzy0sbourne on March 12th, 2010
Tarot cards are just cards…
The power of a fortune teller, if they have any is in their insight of human nature and possible innate psychic ability.
Left by Washu73 on March 15th, 2010
This seems a common attitude, folk such as yourself come along and make wild assertions without offering any evidence for them, then when others don’t agree, you become insulting, making wild accusations with, again, nothing to back them. Finally, when it’s clear that you are unable to meet others in debate, you make a parting insult and blame your leaving on others, in this case because they are “abusers”.
On what grounds do you accuse me of being an abuser?
Left by ANIideas on March 17th, 2010
My other account is philebus1972 – I haven’t used it in ages. However, why you should think that having more than one account would by symptomatic of some illness is beyond me – perhaps you could explain.
Left by ANIideas on March 19th, 2010
I don’t talk to abusers. This is over
Left by janityy on March 21st, 2010
U have 2 accounts but are same person. U need to get help and see a psychiatrist.
Left by janityy on March 21st, 2010
Janityy, no one is after you or your cards, so be happy. However, thus far you have done nothing but make assertions you will not back and cast insults at those who do not agree.
If there is any abuse here, it is against history. We do not claim any power for you to call fake, and I dare say that we all have a lot of fun, not by subjugating anyone but quite often, though not exclusively, by playing a good game of cards. And in that, the only killjoy here is you!
Left by ANIideas on March 23rd, 2010
The problem is that the “spread of tarot” is being stopped or at least inhibited by this widespread belief that the cards are “occult” The understanding that these cards are used for games will help promote the spread of these cards and fully integrate them into our culture.
Left by Oudler on March 25th, 2010
The Constitution protects me and my cards. I’m happy. U are a miserable abuser who never laughs and has any fun except subjugating people. Abusers only have fake power. Ha ha
Left by janityy on March 28th, 2010